10ecjazzman
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10ecjazzman
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I promise I saw a Honda Shadow Spirit today that looked and sounded like a Harley...So what? A lot of the cruisers today do owe a little of their styling to Harleys that have come before them. I have owned other brands before I bought my Electra Glide. I would buy other brands now if I saw something I liked. Lets face it; Its not brainwashing. Its marketing. Gazillions of dollars spent for 105 years makes sure when someone says v-twin you think Harley. A lot of people want to be a part of the legend, what ever that is. I used to own a BMW and experienced the same 'lifestyle' blitz. I wanted to believe that my $45,000 car was indeed something special, same as my $16,000 Harley. It makes writing the checks easier! As for the Victorys..I kinda like that Vision..Don't tell Willie G. He might revoke my extended warranty.
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Let's face it, people copy what's popular. It makes money. Plus the chicks don't know.
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THEBurninator
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kzgb wrote:howsit2003 wrote:ok...why the V-twin development by Victory..and the Japs for their cruiser designs ???
...if they wanted to be different they could do opposing cylinders ( BMW)....or flat V-4 ( Goldwing ) or some other formation....
..but no....they want to emulate the Harley...so they go with the V-twin...... !!!!
..like wise....I'm sure Harley could develop any engine they wanted....but they are sticking to a tried and true formula...the Harley V-twin....pushrod driven....and that's 'jes the way we like it.
so you are saying that just cuz HD uses a v-twin that no other company can use it without coping HD?.  well then i believe HD copied the v-twin from someone else so that makes them a copier too right?
and by that reasoning since HD has 2 wheels no other bike can use 2 wheels?? wow....talk about being brainwashed. 
Harley didn't invent the V-Twin. That makes them a copycat, I guess. I better sell mine.
Who invented the V-8 car engine? I need to know if I should avoid Ford or Chevy since one is obviously copying the other.
It's sad that a thread about the new Victory motorcycles has turned into yet another "Harley -vs- the world" threads.
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10ecjazzman
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 Amen! Burninator!
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kzgb
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you're right Burninator, i keep getting caught up in these silly pissing contests.........
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howsit2003
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Tell me just one other bike manufacturer that has in "inline" V-twin engine !!!
There's lotsa V-twin engines....but only one "inline" V-twin.
Ok...S&S and some other engine builders make an " inline" V-twin, but they are all part of the Harley market as far as I'm concerned .....
most other V-twins have offset cylinders, use 60, 90 degrees...etc...
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THEBurninator
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There's no point.
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howsit2003
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...well...I suppose we talk about politics...or religion....
...y'know...this is a " chat room"....if nobody had anything to say 'bout anything.....none of us would be here....
....seems to me that every possible aspect of H-D has been discussed here at one time or another...
...and without trying to beat a dead horse here......it's clear to me that the Japs have tried to emulate the H-D when making their cruising bikes...you'd have to a complete idjit not to see that.
yep....you're right...many manufacturers copy other manufactures...no doubt about that...practically impossible to have an " original" idea anymore widdout a half dozen people trying to copy it.....
...there's no question every motorcycle manufacturer dissects the other guys bike to see what is going on.....see if there is anything they can copy...or replicate.....or improve on......
...but the one thing you can't copy....is "style".....you can't
copy " presence"...you can't copy " heritage".....
...and it is that .....that separates H-D from the rest !!!!
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flhrsi
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By every objective measure, a Harley is an inferior motorcycle. A HD V-Twin requires thousands of dollars of modifications in order to just get up to the horsepower and torque that a Victory provides out of the box. A Yamaha V-Max gives 120 MORE horsepower and significantly better handling than any Harley for the same money. Yes, the cruiser portion of the Japanese marques' lineup has copied the style of HD for some of their bikes. But every one of those bikes is superior in performance and build quality to the Harley offering and costs a small fraction. Then again, each of those manufacturers has sport, sport-touring, dual sport and off-road offerings that Harley couldn't hope to produce. Is that not style, presence and heritage as well? Are you suggesting that Triumph and Ducati and BMW are lacking in style, presence and heritage?
What separates Harley from the rest is that when you buy a Harley, you pay the most money for the least performance. Listening to a lot of HD riders is like listening to an evangelical. Both make ridiculous, outrageous claims of superiority that have no sense of reality or evidentiary basis for those claims. If you want to ride a Harley because you like it, go to town and enjoy. But do not suggest for a second that they are the best at anything, other than in marketing to the masses.
TheBURN was right, though, this was a thread about Victory motorcycles. And, although I personally wouldn't purchase one because they don't make the kind of bike I want nowadays, they are showing the world that you can be American, original AND offer the customer increased performance at a (relatively) decent price.
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