1Big'n
Churchton MD
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Yeah I've seen them they didn't take a lot of care on the welds. Maybe they are building a more refined pipe by now, I haven't been to there site in a long
time but the whole site used to be dedicated to racing.
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1Big'n
Churchton MD
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I just went to their site, those pipes do go forward away from the passenger because it's a tuned pipe and they need to keep the front and the rear pipes the same length, hence your hard core racing pipe. They also don't have any heat shields so they are going to be blue and yellow quick, and I don't know to many guys riding dresser's that are going to go ceramic, even though it's the way to go. That was the reason I put it like that in the original post. I also think they are a good looking pipe but I think you'd be more likely to see em on a kick a$k bar hopper.
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Payloader
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They make heat shields. I like the silver ceramic better than the chrome. I don't think they are "hardcore", they just have their shiite together when it comes to making power. The bar hopper guys won't put them on because they aren't cool enough. More bling, less zing. Ya know.Anyway, it's a prefference thing.
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BlueFalcon
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I just finished installing the Vance and Hines dresser dual header pipes to my stock mufflers a month ago. It took me four and a half hours to do in the comfort of my garage. It wasn’t necessarily hard, just a little time consuming. As Hawg Man said, it sounds throatier. The right crossover pipe is gone and so is the heat. The heat on the left pipe/passenger floorboard stayed the same. (About twenty degrees higher than ambient air temperature while cruising with the lowers installed) I’ll continue removing the lowers in the summer to maximize the air flowing along side the motor. Again, as Hawg Man said, I don’t feel any reduction in power. If there is any loss, the reduction in heat outweighs the loss of power. The fuel mileage went down a little from 32mpg to 31 mpg city.
Now, this is my first Harley I’ve ever owned our ridden. I’ve spent over twelve hundred dollars in parts and done all the installation work myself trying to cool this bike down. It’s now obvious to me that I’ll never own another Harley without having a True Dual exhaust system. Harley should stop building touring bikes with crossover pipes and design there exhaust systems like the Victory Vision in where the rear cylinder exhaust is routed down then out, aft of the swing arm.
I would like to extend a great Thank You to Tommy Tune for suggesting to go to True Duals. Hawg Man for his Fullsac Performance (like) modification in which he went into great detail describing power, torque, heat reduction and sound. Hawg Man, I paid the extra hundred dollars for the Vance and Hines over the Fullsac Performance pipe because I liked the way the one piece heat shield looked over the stock HD shields. 1Big’n, I didn’t go with the Rhineharts because they where too expensive and you told me that they stick out more than stock beside the left passenger floorboard, and if you had an inattentive passenger (which my wife isn’t) she could burn her leg. Payloader for telling me although the Power Commander did not remove any heat, it sure made it easy to match the modifications I made to get to this point. Also he pretty much said that I wouldn’t feel much difference if I had spent four hundred dollars on a set of slip-ons.
Finally, to all Forum members, Thank You. I hope I can help you in the future as you have helped me.
I'll post back on this topic once I get the wife back on it. It'll have to get alot warmer before that happens.
If I don't get caught in traffic, I'm sure she'll be pleased.
See Ya out on the rode.
BlueFalcon
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seadog49
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Thanks for that info Blue Falcon. I too own a 07 ultra. I have been crying about it for a while. I just stopped today at a NH , HD dealer. They suggested a HD race tuner and hi flow air cleaner. This comes with a $765 price tag. The brain surgeon at the Maine HD dealer (who hasn't started shaving yet) advised me, sir these are air cooled engines and they do run a little hot. The only thing that they could do was program it so the rear cylinder would cut out at high temp.
I havn't checked this site for quite a while. Guess it's my lucky day.
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Carraway
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BlueFalcon--and others,
Thanks for all you have shared on this issue. I have an ’08 Ultra in my garage with 256 miles on it. I bought the bike in November shortly before the snow came raging in and in and in. Riding on those cool days it was impossible to know if heat was an issue. I look forward to anything further you will have to share.
Snowed in in Wisconsin.
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KahunaJim
Louisville,Ky.
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They address the heat problem of the Twin Cam 96 engine in the April edition of Rider magazine. Harley indeed admits there is a problem with a small number of the '07 and '08 Touring models (primarily Electra Glides and Ultra's) rear cylinder getting uncomfortably hot under certain conditions.
H-D dealers have an ECU rehash available at no charge called the Engine Idle Temperature Management System. EITMS is available for all 2007-2008 Touring models. Like the guy told the other poster....it does indeed shut off the fuel to the rear cylinder at idle which allows it to cool rapidly. Once cool enough or the rider accelerates both cylinders fire normally.
Harley hasn't made the EITMS standard on the Touring Twin Cams because it says there's nothing wrong with the standard ECU mapping and the heat is only a problem to a small number of owners.
There is also a midmount frame air defector that can help too.
My question is how much heat is normal? I'm getting my first Ultra next month....I know some is expected but how much?
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arthurn
Beltsville, MD
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I have an 08 road king. Got it in January. Got about 1200 miles on it. Granted it is winter, but haven't had a heat problem yet.
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BlueFalcon
Waldorf, MD
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I just removed the lowers last Wednesday in preparation for the summer riding season. There is virtually no heat issue at all. The left floorboard measures about 10 degrees higher than ambient air temperature while at speeds above 30 mph. I haven't got caught in stop and go traffic yet but I suspect that temps could get about 20 to 30 degrees hotter than ambient air depending on how long I'm stuck in traffic.
I still haven't got the wife on the back yet but I'm sure she'll be pleased.
For now, with temps in Maryland hovering in the upper 70's , I'm very happy.
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